Sunday, February 24, 2008

Your Church's Youth Department?

Do you know what your church's youth department is doing? What they are learning? What curriculum materials they are using, if any?

I think many of us are lulled by the fact that youth pastors went to seminary or at least some type of Christian or Bible college. But, what are teaching in these places. I have to admit that I am in deep shock over what is happening at historically very Biblical and very conservative colelges like Wheaton College. Emergent is flooding in there like a huge tsunami. I see who teaches there and I am ready to fall off my chair. And many other Christian colleges and seminaries are no better. It's bad enough that historically conservative denominations are selling out, so I guess it comes as no surprise when their colleges sell out too. The only churches and seminaries left that are successfully (I hope) stemming the tide of liberal Protestant-type--er---sorry---progressive Christianity (emergent) are the Reformed folks with their Young Calvinists.

But there are things that worry me about them. One fact that concerns me is the increasing hostility they show toward women and "women's place in the church." Another problem is this obsession that some people might accept Christ who are not predestined and oh my, then what? But the BIG problem I see is a lack of good theology concerning the Holy Spirit. Yes, I know you are out there dear Sovereign Grace reader. And I keep asking you to show me WHY your churches are Charismatic. So far, I have received nothing pointing me to the fact that they are not just slightly over the Charismatic line in a sort of tepid way. In my visit to my nearest SG church, I think the Holy Spirit was either asleep or, pardon my irreverance, visiting others at Starbucks during the church service.

And you ask, why can't I find a church? Any fellow Pentecostal Presbyterians (evangelical-type PCUSA, not PCA) out there? Notice I didn't say "Charismatic" Presbyterians. Methinks too many of them are getting into Third Waveism and other mystical stuff too much. At least that is what I see from their mailings which I receive.

So all I can do is pray that there are some sane Christians out there in leadership who might show us our way back......and then forward.

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thanks for this posting. You are on target. At least I am not alone. I know there are some house churches that are attempting to go this route but I have my doubts about them over the long haul.

I know there is awareness of your position but who is going to start paving the way I don't know but I hope it is soon. I solve the problem by going to two churches which I don't like, but it's the only sanity I have so far (If I stick to my guns in one or the other I would definately be under church discipline from both camps)

Anonymous said...

PS. can I know which mailings you are referring to ? (I don't know any PP's and SG is definately out.)

Diane R said...

The Presbyterian Charismatic Association is called PRMI-Presbyterian and Reformed Ministries International. Here is their website:

www.prmi.org

Jeremy Pierce said...

this obsession that some people might accept Christ who are not predestined and oh my, then what?

I've been in Reformed and non-Reformed circles all my life, and I think I'm pretty familiar with the main Reformed teachers who are having a big impact on the Young Calvinists you refer to. Yet I've never once encountered anything like this obsession you're speaking of. Care to elaborate? It doesn't sound remotely consistent with any Reformed theology I know of.